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Fight with Trial Reset Tools
Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 2:56 pm
by Enigma
Re: Fight with Trial Reset Tools
Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 1:08 pm
by GabryJ84
Just a small comment:
another option it might be added to the trial data repository is how often or under what condition you want it to be checked. Let me explain:
I suppose (i might be wrong) that all the custom configured registry locations and file locations are checked everytime (as well as enigma internal ones). So if someone tries to find them with registry/file monitoring tools, they will find them all.
If you let someone specify how often or under what condition to check that particular registry/file location, there always be the chance that 1 or 2 locations are hit so rarely or only on some systems that trial can't be reset.
Example:
Type: File
Location: C:\Users\User\fhahdf\dsk.s
Encryption Key: blah blah
Check: Always/Never/Only on Windows 7/Only on Windows XP/Only on Chinese Language/Only 50% of Times/Only at Night/Only in Workday Hours
If you combine many of these let's call "triggers" and only if these "triggers" are set "per location" rather than "per overall check", even if you run a monitoring software you'll never be able to get all of them since the randomness is "truly random".
I don't know if you get the point...it's a bit complex to explain

Re: Fight with Trial Reset Tools
Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 2:10 pm
by Enigma
Hi Gabriele, I've understood you!
Yes, I had the same idea when developed this feature. The one thing stopped me to make it - complication. Trial Reset feature is complex enough for non advantage users, and could be more complicated with this.
But I 100% agree that it is great and very useful and sure, I make it!
Re: Fight with Trial Reset Tools
Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 10:44 am
by scorillo7
This is very good idea indeed, the vulnerability in this case is the fact that if a cracker break the registration of a protected software will break the entire version of that software.
Yes this is a paranoic version, but it is possible.An individual location/registration(computer) based on a logical alghorithm can be added.This will make trial reseter more difficult to make.On cracker computer will be one location but in other computer will be different.
Anyway , the GabryJ84 idea is GREAT.
Re: Fight with Trial Reset Tools
Posted: Sun Dec 26, 2010 1:40 pm
by Majid
Hi Enigma
I read your tutorial . Using Trial Reset tools & Using Registry/File Monitoring Tools are some ways to use trial softwares for sometimes & Yes , In many Times We can fight them & trick them But ...
There is another way to use trial softwares forever with ease (Also newbies can do it easily !!!) . Can I Post it here ? Is it Legal ?
Re: Fight with Trial Reset Tools
Posted: Sun Dec 26, 2010 4:24 pm
by Daniel
Hi Majid,
I think you mean using sandboxing. Yes it works great and Enigma contains some basic protection at least against those most common. Surely, there are dozens of them on market.
The best way is - I think - to have DEMO version and FULL version as separate versions. If you would like to fight these dishonest users, it would be necessary to track HardwareID while instaling, let activate via server and then deny/allow based if the user had already activated or not. Rather complicated, isn“it?
Anyway, the best way is to have decently priced product, possibility to pay via some secure gate (or PayPal standalone at least) and updated, actualised webpages, fast support and reply time.
(BTW Majid, could you share with me what is your product you are so afraid of being cracked? - Even PM)
Good to remember, if there is somebody with enough level of experience who would like to crack your SW, (s)he would do it. Then the only thing is to release new versions regularly (it is a bad feeling that you have a cracked old version and you are not up-to-date) and some internal time bomb in program (like the program stops working after 6 months or on a fixed date). It is a big pain if you have crack or keygen and there is no program available to use it with (I asked for this feature Vladimir long time ago

).
A good option might be to have in Enigma possibility to execute files not only after the run of main EXE but also before and check if action was really finished. I was thinking to link with Automatic Updater just in case there would be some problem with protection/sw leak I could repair it fairly fast (I use wyBuild from
http://wyday.com and it has been the cheapest solution in time I got it, now their price is going up though the original before discount price is a lie). A lot of user would be happy to have some click and update solution, people are not very brainy in a real world.
Also, Vladimir included with Enigma source codes for some keygens, activators and so on. If you are not a programmer, the best for you might be Delphi examples, these are easy to understand, just download Delphi7 somewhere and you may try to work around a little bit.
Kind Regards
Daniel
Re: Fight with Trial Reset Tools
Posted: Sun Dec 26, 2010 4:44 pm
by Majid
Hi My Friend Daniel
Thank You For your long & great Reply .
But I don't mean using sandboxing but sth similar , It is complex enough for newbies . I'm talking about a way that everyone can use it with ease & They may use trial softwares forever !!!
Re: Fight with Trial Reset Tools
Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 9:13 am
by Majid
Here is the way
Using virtual system software !!! It is very simple than using Sandboxie . You can use this way with ease . This way has two benefits :
1- Your system will keep 100% free of viruses And you do not need to update any databases at all .
2- You can use Trial Softwares Forever !
Here is the most popular virtual system softwares :
Deep Freeze
Wondershare Time Freeze
Phantom Armor
Returnil Virtual System
Sandboxie is so complex to use ! But Using these softwares are so easy !!!
Sandboxie have some problems with some applications But these softwares have no problem at all , because They are just protecting system .
Just Download Wondershare Time Freeze & Try it to Understand what I mean .
So Now What's your opinion Enigma ?
Re: Fight with Trial Reset Tools
Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 9:33 am
by Enigma
I think no need to be paranoid. If user agrees to use virtualization systems like SandBox to prolong trial, believe me, even if you make "super wonderful strong" trial protection, such user anyway will not buy your product.
Trial is so slippery feature... Better, if your application is using internet access, then make a trial yourself, by comparing dates through the server. But if your application does not use internet access, then really, do not be paranoid
